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OMG …the guy is wearing “Obama Ears.”
Hmmm… they kinda look like some of the Ron Paul folks.
I think some of them were part of the “Republicans for Henry” crowd…
Mike Sylvester
And what would the “angry whiteboy” do if he found out that the chair of the 3rd district caucus has created the results of the voting? I took it through the appropriate channels, county chair, district chair and waited patiently for integrity to come to the fore in each case. So far none evident and the State Chair nor his assistant are returning calls. It’s not about any candidate “whiteboy”, it’s about doing it right. If I loose, fine as long as it is fairly done. Adding 28 people to the count to elect a slate of delegates no one was able to nominate, debate or amend, and with two motions on the floor at the same time, is not quite fair.
Let me see, how do I phrase this? Oh yeah, “Get a fu%$king job you sniveling whining sanctimonius sons of bitches”.
Yep, that’s it. Just had to think about it for a sec…..
At least we have HQ’s for them to protest in front of.
I like to direct this comment to Paul Morrison , Paul if I had known you made this comment I would of directed it to you last night when I saw you in person. Unless you know for sure which group that you see in pictures. Like the one above it is not the group of Ron Paul. I think you should be more careful of your comments. At least comment what you actually know what is true!! Thank you have a great day…
I know this is not the right item to post this under, but the Paullies have decided to use this. The Ron Paul people talked about the vote numbers the day of the caucus, if there was a problem, why do they wait till now to complain; it should have been addressed at the caucus, not 2 ½ months later. I guess my question would be why the Ron Paul people believe their votes should be more important than the votes of 90% of the Republicans who voted for McCain. Why should the party send people to the convention who are arrogant enough to feel their vote and their candidate is more important than 90% of the Republicans in the state. Part of politics is losing with the same humility as you have when you win. Most of the Ron Paul people feel that theirs is the only freedom of speech that should be heard, and their interpretation of the Constitution is the only correct interpretation. Mr. Martindale talks of fairness, tell me one thing in life that is fair, birth, taxes, death? We strive to make everything as fair and equal as possible, but that does not always happen, so we strive to correct it for the future by working within the system, not around it and not complain about the past.
I see you following yet another conspiracy theory, Mr. Martindale, in which you and many others with whom you associate with seem to be so fond of.
If not this tragedy, it will be another one. If not this plight of drama, it will be another one. The problem truly is, people of your ilk trying to create drama where none exist, just to get attention. You serve no purpose in this effort.
Stay within your own party, or better yet, create your own because THIS GOP will not be run amuck because of your musings nor those of your peons.
Your supporters are just like you. The ego bus can’t possibly be big enough for all of you. Grow up.
Jennifer, I think that’s gonna leave a mark….ouch!
Oh well…. Truth hurts.
Jennifer, Can I ask if you was at the State Convention in Indianapolis? Was you in the 3rd District caucus? I am curious?
I were not.
It does not preclude me from knowing what is happening anymore than your grammer precludes you from asking a question.
I DO know for a fact, without being at the convention, the following:
1) An organized effort was started last Winter to infiltrate the GOP and try to usurp rules to get Ron Paul nominated in spite of the state and local election results, and I have the information to prove it from right here in Allen County. This isn’t just a local issue.
2) An organized effort was started before the State Convention to throw a hissy fit on the floor during the the caucusing and cry “fowl” when the ridiculous throng of delegates trying to get Ron Paul elected didn’t get their way.
3) A hissy fit WAS thrown on the floor during the caucus because those same people didn’t get their way. Now they feel gilted because their scheme didn’t work. (Guess what, it didn’t work across the country, either)
4) Those same people decided to ‘volunteer’ for the GOP and now use the computers and other resources at the GOP headquarters in FW daily to usurp the true nomination for President and try to get others to join their cause. They have even gone so far as to try to change the local rules in an effort to show they can be good ‘worker bees’ and get people to think they really want to be involved. “All it takes if $50 and you, too, can be a precinct committeeman.”
5) Those same people are using the GOP resources to organize their protest AT Minneapolis, even though they were not chosen to go to the Convention in any capacity.
What isn’t clear?
Good job Jennifer, maybe there will be no more questions “axed” –
Heh,heh,heh….The ladies are in good form tonight!
OK I am going to jump in this conversation as their are a lot of misconceptions and it is so sad to see adults trying to make fun of others.
First it may not matter to you but the women that is asking if you were at the Convention is a 59 year old that is a grandma and mother and who voted for Bush two times and has always been a Republican but if it makes you feel better to make fun of her, I guess that is your issue.
1. Fact… What organized effort was started last Winter to “infiltrate the GOP and try to usurp the rules”. This is Funny to me because I have no clue what you are talking about. Some people found a Republican Candidate they liked and went to the GOP to get more info, wow is that the infiltration that you speak of, and what rules did they try and change, you do not Nominate a Presidential candidate at our state Convention, so again have no clue what you mean when you say “to get Ron Paul nominated in spite of the state and local election results”, not possible.
2. A hissy fit was organized too, wow since we can’t nominate a presidential candidate, what was the Hissy organized over? What I do know and this is a fact that many people read the rules went to the state convention to play by those rules and the rules where changed exactly 2 days before the convention started, now I wonder why that is.
3. A Hissy fit was thrown on the floor is your next statement, Is using Robert’s Rules of Order to ask why the rules were changed 2 days before what you call a Hissy fit, if so then guess you are right on this one. But for the Record it is in the RNC rules that state rules can’t be changed since September of last year, so was our Hissy fit over the fact the State violated rules or because we wanted to mysteriously nominate Dr. Paul, remember though I did say earlier we don’t nominate Presidential Candidates at the State Convention
4. I don’t know anyone that is using any computers, wow you sure are paranoid, come out and meet some of us we don’t bite (except when lies are told, then we just try and clear them up), and what local rules …there are none yet, so How can we change what does not exist. And if we want to help are you saying this is a bad thing. Wow and everyone wonders why the GOP is not getting any new members, if this is how they get treated.
5. I don’t know one person that is protesting at Minneapolis, so again you need to cut off who ever you get your info from. You have been lied to and we can tell you what is really going on and it is this
A republican Candidate came in the race, got new people involved in the Republican race and some old Republicans got excited again, wow that is Horrible isn’t it. People get involved in Politics, and then we come out because we are excited and want to help our Republican Party and there sits people like you telling us all these “Facts” you have which is not true because I was their and know for a FACT that the people involved in Dr. Paul’s campaign just wanted to get involved and see if there was anything they can do to help their state and local GOP’s, but for some reason their is a lot of fear and anger in the GOP and I wonder why that is
Where do they get their information?
Those who WERE at the convention know the following:
No one threw a HISSY fit at the caucus. The Paulers attempted to follow Roberts Rules of order as prescribed by the Indiana GOP.
The Paulers were invited to work and help out at the GOP HQ in downtown Ft. Wayne. Moreover they were encouraged to become precinct commiteemen and many were appointed by the Chairman.
The recent bylaws meetings were attended by Paulers, all of whom are duely elected/appointed committeemen, and they expressed their concerns of the bylaws as presented.
None of the appointed commiteemen paid for their positions. If you Jennifer were charged for your position, I’d demand a refund.
There is no plans to protest the GOP convention in St. Paul. Ron Paul is having a rally of his own, and you are encouraged to attend. You could learn what true freedom as defined in the Constitution is meant to be.
This reply is in no way meant to be a slam of anyone on this blog.
And by the way…..my S.O. wants to know what AWB is angry about. I told her it was “tongue in cheek” but she still wants a definitive answer. LOL
If my grammar is not up to standard please forgive me.
Thanx,
GS
This in response to Jennifer:
1) Before bashing someone else concerning their grammer, take a look at your item number 4 ““All it takes if $50 and you, too…” and fix your own mistakes before correcting others.
2) No one was “usurping rules to get Ron Paul nominated”. There were some at the caucus using Roberts Rules of Order which the state party is supposed to use and follow themselves. According to the National Rules they had every right to nominate people from the floor. They were following the rules, the state party was NOT.
3) This has nothing to do with schemes and hissy fits. It’s about following the National Rules and following Roberts Rules of Order, which the Republican Party sees no need to follow either one!
4) “Those same people decided to ‘volunteer’ for the GOP and now use the computers and other resources at the GOP headquarters in FW daily to usurp the true nomination for President and try to get others to join their cause.”
Now, you are truly showing your ignorance Jennifer by the above quote. Who is using computers and resources at the GOP? Please name names and state your facts of information. And to usurp the nomination for President? I guess you don’t understand how the electoral college really works. How would using the GOP’s computers get people to join “their cause”? Give me a break!
5) “They are using our resources at the GOP to stage a protest at the National Convention?” Can you please specifiy which “resources” they are using to stage this protest?
Before you make accusations, Jennifer, please back them up with facts, or you’re no better than the people you are pointing fingers at.
Yes, Jennifer…. VERY well put!
Anita,
My comment, “Hmmm… they kinda look like some of the Ron Paul folks” was only a comment that it reminded me of this picture at
http://indiana.typepad.com/fwob/2007/11/ron-paul-suppor.html.
I most certainly do, “…know for sure which group that you see in pictures.” It is just that Ron Paul for President supporters and MoveOn.org supporters do remind me of each other.
And…” I think you should be more careful of your comments.”
Like that would ever happen because of a recommendation from YOU! LOL
Jennifer,
You wrote the following:
“All it takes if $50 and you, too, can be a precinct committeeman.â€
What does that mean?
Mike Sylvester
you don’t have to pay money to be a precinct committeeman. If you were charged I go and get your money back…
Anita,
I know it does not cost $50 to be a Precint Committeeman; I was just trying to figure out where Jennifer heard that it cost $50.
It does not…
Mike Sylvester
She’s confusing it with the fee for being a State Delegate, honest mistake.
I was quoting what Melissa was told by Ab, which subsequently she told her groupies.
They began getting people to run for precinct committeemen from all over, including felons and people who weren’t even in the county. You wonder why there was such an influx of ‘new’ members?
This, all in an effort to get their ‘boy’ elected.
So they all joined together and held hands.
Audrey,
I was in GOP headquarters last week diagnosing the Allen County GOP Internet connection, which for the record I provide basically for *free*.
While there I looked at the browsing history of AB’s old machine, which is where Tina Strack sits. Over the prior 4 weeks, there were hundreds of visits to Ron Paul Meetup sites, the North West Indiana Ron Paul Supporters site, Ron Paul’s official site, Ron Paul discussion forums and too many others to list here.
I specifically asked Tina what Ron Paul “wing-nuts” were using the GOP’s computers and Internet connection to access all of this. Her reply “I don’t know”.
Yeah right, give me a break.
Jennifer,
I am somewhat surprised by your comments.
I have talked to several people who were at the state GOP convention; both from the Ron Paul supporters and from those who supported McCain and all seem to agree that things were poorly handled and that the spirit of Roberts Rules were certainly violated.
I would recommend that you spend some time with Steve Shine and see what he thinks of what happened at the GOP Convention; I think you will be quite surprised at the results of that conversation…
As you know I switched to the Republican Party from the Libertarian Party. I believe in small government and my policy views in many cases align with Libertarians and in many cases with Republicans.
You and I are BOTH previous County Chair’s of the Allen County Libertarian Party and we both switched to the Republican Party fairly recently; in fact, you switched to the Republican party soon after I did.
I voted for Ron Paul in the primary. I do not agree with Ron Paul on everything; however, he is head and shoulders a better candidate that John McCain. I am not part of the group of Ron Paul supporters that got organized to support Ron Paul; however, I have looked at their membership and surpisingly enough out of over one hundred people only two of them have ever been members of the Libertarian Party; the rest are Independents or Republicans.
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I will not let personal information be posted here Mike. You can email me if you need further explanation.
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Steve Shine appointed me to be a Precint Committeeman and I am a previous chair of the Libertarian Party of Allen County. Steve Shine realizes that the local Republican Party needs to grow and that they need new blood. I am working from within the local Republican Party to reform it. I want to see the local Republican Party change so that it consistently represents a desire to see smaller government and espouses personal freedoms once again.
I will work with long time Republicans as well as newer Republicans (Like those who support Ron Paul) to try to reform the local GOP so that it represents what it used to.
If you have truly joined the local Republican Party you should do the same rather then lash out at its newest members with highly inaccurate information.
Mike Sylvester
Editor’s note to Mike: If you’re such a good republican, why are you listing the Allen County Libertarian’s blog as your web site on your posts?
Thank you Mike that is all correct and what suprises me most is I have met Jennifer and she seemed like a nice lady and told me how much she supported Ron Paul as she was donating thousands of slim jims to the my meetup group so I have no clue where all this anger is coming from. We are on the same team, and it seemed funny that she would say make our own party when she is new to the Republican party too, by less then 6 months ago being in the LP party.
And again Jennifer, your sources are incorrect, there is no money involved at all to be a state Delegate or committeeman, you just file the CAN37 between certain dates and then get voted for. You informants are leading you astray
Melissa, you’re dead wrong. It cost either $110 or $125, (don’t recall the exact amount) to be a state delegate, I know – I paid it to the Allen County GOP.
Jennifer,
Your most recent comment includes the statement “They began getting people to run for precinct committeemen from all over, including felons and people who weren’t even in the county. You wonder why there was such an influx of ‘new’ members?”
Once again you are saying things that you know not to be true; or should know are not true.
Have you EVER heard of Matt Kelty? Do you know that some of Matt Kelty’s supporters decided to fill precinct committeman spots long BEFORE the Ron Paul group got organized? This group of people contacted me early this year and wanted me to consider being a Precinct Committeeman. Just for your information a fair number of the new Precinct Committeeman were recruited long BEFORE the Ron Paul group got organized. I am relatively certain that you know this to be true; however, for some reason, you are completely ignoring it because it does not fit in with what you are trying to say on this blog.
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Mike Sylvester
Mike,
There was a convicted felon that ran, and I notified Ab and he had that person removed from the ballot. It should also be noted he was a Libertarian that switched to the GOP. I can give you his name off-line if you like.